i absolutely would liken f--king an animal to f--king a child anywhere from 0-17, or even a boss f--king their employee or a teacher f--king their student. you are getting upset and crying that im a troll because you cant back up what you are saying with a direct quote and you dont seem to be very smart. Even with this law the guy would still be dead, the horse wasn't harmed at all, to him this guy was just another in a line of mares. Admitting animals are sentient is tantamount to admitting they CAN make their own choices and decide what they want and don't want. It's interesting. SHE put it there. And the sexuality aspect of it was completely neglected. If the dog or animal gets aroused, GREAT! @Jigs, no animals dont have the cognition to know exactly what is going on. He does seem stuck in a loop, a very bad loop. I own 5 cats who are my babies, I take care of their needs before my own. And most of the places they're shooting in this video are not Enumclaw. 4) No one is ever fully cognisant of what they do, whether it's consent to sex, walking out the front door, or voting. Really, the sheer differences in bacterias, and whatever it is that we as human get out of sex, even with strangers, you can't get, what-so-ever with animals. what isn't dubbed in later is acted in to begin with, it was part of the effects they wanted in the film. These people need to be institutionalized. These include practicing therapists. this is absolutely wrong because i have no emotional or learned objection to this. because in both cases a being is being exploited. did i say it was okay to neuter an animal? lol i had i feeling it was as well and i did the same. No one is belittling the victims of sexual assault. Like, what kinds of animals, other than horses, are they having sex with? @ Mark , true about the hypocracy part, though I don't care so much for the "less evil than" type of argument. God is equal. If it persists it gets increasingly harder punishment until it learns that I do not 'consent' to it's actions. "i have two retired sled dogs if they wanted to they could rip me apart but they allow me to put them on leashes scold them (not physically) choose when they eat and if i wanted to i could put a gun to their head and shoot them (never would) all the while they would wag their tails and follow my lead. They were famed for their silky smooth harmonies and Barry's signature falsetto.Â. She's in the documentary "Animal Passions". all you have to do is open your copy of the book and type the quote. Typical. "there is nothing symbiotic about our testing of animals or keeping of livestock.". i am aware of the coginitive functions of dogs as i have used them in a few experiments. I could not say if they are reading some body posture, gesture, my facial expression or something else, but they clearly read SOMETHING completely correct. meat-eaters and leather-wearers are doing something involving a deceased animal. The fact that you could compare the child to a horse, a horse who could have easily kicked or attacked the man to get away from him is disturbing. Just be sure that this will probably never be accepted as normal in modern or future societies. For all we know you could work at the seven eleven. He enlisted other mentally disturbed guys like himself to come on the farm where he lived as long as he took care of the horses,it seems. how bad is this to watch? But the instant the issue of sex is brought into the equation, consent becomes a key factor. I think it was an amazingly well made documentary. Wide road is the road you are on. It's simple. As mentioned by others - often does not identify who is speaking or about what. Such is the case with "Kid 90," a new documentary available on Hulu Friday. i know you are not a logical person but you have to realize everything you have said is saved so it can all be looked over and referenced. az no i did not. What that means is that YOU ARE MAKING ALL THIS UP. My dad used to take me with his friends then. All of us have one judge to see who has Jesus character in them,and who does not, and those that do have a gift of infinite value, and those that judge condemning whoever will miss that gift. Where's the 'fairness'? In fact let me use one of your own argument against you, slavery. You can't find any doctor at? More specifically, this book details my journey conducting a study about b.estiality and zoophila. I can only applaud those that helped this person and I hope they did something that helped people or animals by spending time and money creating the documentary. especially considering every single one of his points has been refuted except his sophistry and rhetoric has been good enough to divert peoples attention from his failures to properly address his rebuttals. its so programmed. Female dog guide. Porn depicting humans and animals engaged in sex acts is illegal to own, transfer or import, laws vary but you do not want this garbage on your computer. Or that veterinaray surgeons and breeders routinely put their gloved arm in mare's to do an artificial insemination procedure, and no one thinks that is somehow going to abuse or injure her! You pretty much have me pegged. who said this? Animal consent is one way or another, either they consent to all they do or they consent to nothing, they can't not give consent cause they are drunk, but they gave consent to drive. Absolutely right DP, either animals are sentient and can make their own choices, or they are animated lumps of tissue, in which case it wouldn't matter. With all the research you clearly did on her I'm sure you found it but you just don't want to admit it. "Because I had been told this documentary had high production value and great cinematography. however i do worry about the mental and physical wellbeing of the animals involved. I am frightened yet I do not want to judge, as I do not understand. these are the kinds of experiences that Dawkins and his Atheist bogey men would probably have no comment on. but that doesnt matter. That is fine, you do not find animals physically attractive Mike, I feel the same way about women, and for that matter- men too, nude or otherwise. This person was comparing to human relawas comparing need of consent to human relationships, not other involvement with animals. and i cant wait for you to be back to drop more "facts" such as the quote from the doctor you hold so dear that says it is okay to have sex with animals. For me, whenever there is food on my plate, i wanna know where it is coming from. Az, you got that right, these zootunes crazies must be from the same place where they made the movie deliverance. Thanks for the complements, and yes, standing up for one believes is never easy in the face of hate, ridicule and deliberate misinformation, not to mention hysterics, but I do because I know the facts. Animals will mate in front of others, they don't feel shame or regret associated with sexual or other bodily functions. The more people I meet, the more I like my dog, because.... animals don't judge b/c they lack that level of consciousness, and maybe that's not a bad thing, but it's that exact same limitation that prevents them from having emotions/thoughts & RELATIONSHIPS on the same level of us humans. than yours because she's a doctor. The average age of the men was 38 years (range = 19-78, median = 37) and of the women 36 (range = 21-48, median = 35)." Sick. ?Just correction one thing you said and pointing out a couple of things. ANY REAL UNIVERSITY YOU GRADUATE FROM LICENSES YOU TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH EXPERT UPON GRADUATION. It's a form of logical fallacy used in debate to try and take advantage of people's emotions.". 3) For someone who thinks his lifestyle is normal/natural you sure spend a lot of time defending it. The goal of the information packet in Second Life and in InworldZ grids, is to reach out to the "zoo" minded persons who want to know more, resources, need support, or to talk to like minded, experienced people. You know if we have been left alone, if nobody questioned what we were doing, there wouldn't have been those pauses where there were problems between us.'. This film does not hear the side of people like you who have an obviously loving relationship with their animals and while they may have intercourse with the animal, will not do so if the animal does not consent. doesn't really wash; a lot of pedophiles will tell you that they're in love with the children they molest and don't feel they're doing anything that harms them, too. This is appropriate; human beings are the stewards of the planet. Kenny's butt was ripped to shreds. I will forever have the Mr Hands video seared into my brain after seeing it back when this was all made public. In this case I would describe the film as presenting something very ugly in a pretty papered package and a oversized red bow. It can lead to all kinds of mental health disorders and issues of trust and wellbeing. IT IS NOT OKAY TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM EITHER. Documentary Zeitgeist: The Movie, authored by Peter Joseph,... Medical personnel more accustomed to treating patients than... Neanderthals lived in Eurasia for thousands of years before... What does it mean to be free? Seems Ken was the only one who had a real job, with Boeing, the rest were just losers including James Tait, a truck driver who was arrested. One is enough. The line "...Without consent, it wouldn't have even happened..." tells the exact truth. Pages displayed on the wall. In my opinion. What wisdom and life experience do you have to justify calling everyone else's opinions rubbish? after watching-i found the movie boooring. A man is a man, even if he does terrible things. All life has sex. "You know what â you go ahead and live in la la land where you think itâs ok to have sex with animals and I hope when you are carted away by the cops because itâs ILLEGAL,". I don't understand why Epicurus has paid attention to this guy for so long. I'm certainly not going to convert anyone, so live and let live is the best I can hope for. As a pet owner I think you and your 'rational' thoughts are just pathetic and sad. no animals are hurt. which equals about nothing. Sites like Crackle, IMDB, Tubi, Vudu, YouTube and now Peacock all have free movies online for you to stream. For those of you who are afraid of this, it's fairly rare for a human who has consistent inter-species sex to have sex with other humans, therefore they rarely can be a vector for these diseases. So, calling love "psychology in its brain" is, well.. I bet if you had a sexual attraction to animals you would be calling yourself PROzoophilia too! (No I am not trying to compare mentally disabled people to animals, just saying I think it's somewhat more comparable.) see Dr. Hani Miletski has done more research and studying on zoophilia than Dr. Frank Ascione. This is not my area of expertise,(thank goodness) and I have no intention of devoting any additional time to understanding it. And all it takes is a simple internet search to see that she's legit. I thought the description of this documentary was just plain idiotic if not perverse, but KennyL beats them. Human beings are psychologically much more complex than animals. I don't believe in right or wrong, good or evil, saint or sinner & god or devil. Anyway, my biggest problem, in this example is not whether the animal 'consented' or was 'harmed' (hard to answer that one), but is this: when generally wild animals begin to see humans as a food source (feeding them in National Parks as example) then they become unpredictable and potentially dangerous to humans - so what happens when an animal (other than human) begins to see humans as potential sex partners? but just because that is wrong doesnt make your argument more right. Typically we read about a kid bit in the face or mauled, or someone's hands torn up trying to break up a a dog fight. ...so what kind of animal are you abusing presently? im completely cold and devoid of any cultural bias you are trying to blame on my view. Anyone ever been swimming with dolphins? To want to kill is the beginning of that end. A horse can easily break your legs if you get near and do something they dont like. do you think that it is a reputable source for academic information? Film Description. doggiejigs, i'm glad you had the courage to stand up for what you believe in. F-ing an animal mister logical is wrong because of health risks involved with doing an animal. Sad, sad, sad but many gay men & some women does this often with dildos the size of baseball bats, with human fist & arms and so much more. im sorry i didnt completely understand this question. The applicant is responsible for determining the licensing requirements for the jurisdiction in which she or he wishes to work. The dog receives companionship, excellent food, medical care and vaccinations against diseases, protection from predators, shelter, fresh water, affection and attention, and with a zoo the animal's sexual needs are satisfied as well. I think you need to read my remarks again. BZZZTT!!! "you say humans never ask for consent when using them...okay...that doesnt make it right. Like I said before, it's not my thing, and I do very strongly believe that those people who commit Beastiality, that is the ABUSE of animals for SEXUAL purposes (muzzling, restraining, and raping a dog for instance), should be punished. ch 4 was the one done largely on that fat loser in Missouri who lived in a dumpy trailer with his mare, the one from the Springer show fame "I married a horse." It's not the same as being homosexual either as that's done by "consenting" adults. I agree this is not so shocking in light of the incessant curiosity and sexual hang ups of human beings. your choices are change the law, follow the law or be a criminal simple as that. It would not surprise me if some employers and even some licensing agencies were duped into accepting these diplomas as legitimate credentials. I'd be an expert to if I sat in an office did nothing but watch video of men humping donkeys...Grow up ****tard. Assistant- " It Kinda looks like Ms.Sandros from down the street ....she has a bit of that Sarah Jessica Parker thing going on", Veterinarian - " Shut up you , this is a one horse-face town". 1) You need to see a shrink. now someone being penetrated by an animal doesnt harm anyone. Dr. Hani Miletski does. he said the person was a doctor and therefore anything they said would outweigh what i said. Animals certainly DO consent to sex, and do initiate sexual contact with humans. i'll be back to drop? Not to judge (well, yeah actually) this is just sick. Any-who... my point is that culture is out there. It was interesting to hear how zoophiles see what they do as being perfectly harmless and natural, but they're just deluding themselves if they think that they have some kind of intimate connection with those animals. 2) You're a misogynist jerk. further confusing him) and had to have been put down as an irreperably dangerous animal. There's a natural urge for the male and female of the same species to want to procreate.That's where the main feeling of lust and love come from.When someone becomes perverted In his soul , he strays from the natural course of things and does things which have absolutely no logic.For example sticking your penis In another mans anus.If you stray a lot furthur than that than you do the unthinkable to most human beings.To have sex with an animal. again, if no consent is asked, required, or obtained for any of these procedures, then it's not required, asked or obtained for anything else by animal owners, huh? The bad thing is to not being perfect in love. she doesnt have a degree in psychology, you keep saying that but havent shown me where you got that from. i think that". just viewed "ZOO" and the only thing i can think of saying is what the f***? They have all the same functional body parts we do, including a clitorus in females and orgasm. The film's public debut was at the Sundance Film Festival in January 2007, where it was one of 16 winners out of 856 candidates, and played at numerous regional festivals in the USA thereafter. Mare guide. Now watch as the guy inserts his entire ARM along with a plastic tube to do the procedure, not only is his arm far longer and far larger around than a man's puny 6 or 7" "wonder pickle." I say "on the same level of" b/c I'm making space for dolphins, elephants, primates, what-have-you that have exhibited potential conscious or relationship traits, but are in no way the same as us. Wiki it instead of wasting your time. But even as new Americans pick up a ball for the first time, even as the country endures a world war, baseball is trying to endure a decade that includes the meanest, vilest, angriest player ever to step onto the field and a scandal that almost destroys the game. 17:54 EST 27 Nov 2020, A new documentary on the Bee Gees' legendary career is set to be released on HBO in the coming weeks.Â, And in a new interview to promote the upcoming project, the band's last surviving member Barry Gibb has admitted that it will be 'difficult' to watch the doc following the death of his brothers Robin and Maurine.Â. Seriously. they once choked me unconciouse with a dead snake, stuffed a rock up my leather cherrio, and stuffed a branch up my wiener hole! Funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago people like had the same feelings and thoughts about black people and native American indians, who were treated worse than animals. ok allan, this is my last response to you. Do you really think you could fool the whole world into believing you have a Ph.D. when you really don't? I read? She may have to go thru the trauma of a lineup and court trials, testimony and knowing the rapist will get out and may come after her for ratting on him, maybe the rapist is her boss or a family member, and now she is out of the job and has no work reference to get a new one. I take issues or subjects (or general debates) and put them through an analytical unbiased process in which i show the negative and positive aspects or implications. thank you. well yes a little I guess as I am one of the people that just cant comprehend sex with animals . Animals are very visually sexy looking to a zoo, we look at sexy animals the same way men gawk at pretty girls, to answer that question you'd have to explore the mental and physical reasons why a man even finds a woman's shape and "chest" either sexy or attractive, or stimulating, if you find the answer to that then you'd have the answer as to why an animal could be seen the same way. Until you can prove either way that adult animals (physically adults) are harmed by APPARENTLY voluntary inter-species sex then I have to conclude that the apparent lack of harm means the whole thing is non-harmful and that people having inter-species sex that doesn't require physical force or involuntary pain is icky but but not evil. The law was never about protecting animals, if it was they'd outlaw animal confinements, rodeos, and meat packing plants, no, this law was a knee- jerk xtian over reaction to the idea of sex with animals happening and no law to stop what they don't LIKE. It is an interesting topic for understanding human morality. Dogs also read human body language and faces extremely well, if I am thinking of letting the dogs run in that field, they read something on me that I am, because they will all run to the gate and look back at me and try to open it. If you want to worry about diseases, try this on for size and worry: CDC estimates that about 36,000 people died of seasonal flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States. on zoophilia and zoophiles than any other doctor with a Ph.D. in psychology and sexology. It left out extreme amounts of information and didn't answer any of the questions one asks when hearing the story. We often make decisions blindly, often to our direct detriment even though we know what is more likely to be "good" for us. Okay, these guys give off creepy vibes, they have some serious issues with understanding what "love" and "respect" means, and they probably saw things in their relationship with horses that were not and would never possibly be there. Chapter 13 repeats and summarizes the answer to the basic research question in the current study - is there a sexual orientation toward animals? They also linked people who engage with bestiality have high, high risk of getting sexually transmitted diseases. This one makes me uncomfortable though, I think Epicurus is a good guy, hanging in there. I'm not even going to wade through the rest of your post because it's FULL of censored hashes and almost unreadable in parts, and rehashed, go back and re-read my posts frm the beginning, I already refuted and explained all I'm going to do to you, the facts remain that myself, not you is the one who has over 40 YEARS of personal extensive experience with dozens of dogs both male and female, and I know exactly what I speak of when I relate their body language CLEARLY demonstrating their wants and dislikes, along with ACTIVE and proactive sexual responses by which they clearly indicate they enjoy the activities and want it to continue. But the internet is riddled with animal media and many search engines have animal topics in their top ranks... That means MILLIONS of people are viewing this stuff online... Get over it. If you aren't gay, then stop worrying about it, why the hell do you care if some guy in another state likes to bone dudes right? st*pid only a child could take them seriously. Combined, there are more than 200k people following us through these channels: You should sign up for our newsletter. There's 6 billion people on earth, most of them have sex, there's 6 billion versions of "normal" out there. "There is such thing as true love. If I stop, he will practically crawl under my arm and roll over so I can carry on. Firstly, the trainer says the word "Sit" in a clear, commanding voice. I do think it's worth noting our reactions to individuals who have different tastes, it seems to be as outrageous as the perceived subject. For instance you compare the morality of bestiality to homosexuality. Just in general most vegetarians and vegans(especially vegans!) it doesnt have the cognition to understand its actions completely, especially when it comes to mating with another species. i am not making an argument for or against any other form of animal ownership or possession. The repetition of the training enforces the pleasure of doing what the trainer considers "right", and the pain of doing what is "wrong". - R.K. You know what I figure? I don't see anyone else that is of a reliable source backing up what you are saying. but more importantly since you value a doctors opinion so much how many doctors that disagree with her would a person have to supply to you to sway your opinion? spend on the disqus because a DOCTOR'S opinion will always carry more weight than yours. "it's an animal. So I got some horse f***** defending my freedom. THERE IS NO RELIABLE SOURCE BACKING YOU UP ON THIS. A web search reveals that there is a huge number of people who list these bogus credentials on their curricula vitae. This is just beyond me no matter how or what angle I use or reasoning I try, it just will not register. If I were the sort of freak to enjoy having my leg humped I would just take it. Also why is it ok to kill and eat the animal but wrong to have sex with it? Why should I be mad at myself? they should do themselves a favor and chew on a grenade better still, hang themselves.i am so mad at these guys! Think anyone would risk being accused of bestiality with a female dog just because she happens to have a urinary tract infection and is owned by a single man? It's 273 pages long and full of a lot of information. As that field is not fenced I only allow that occasionally, when I am there to watch. Banging the family dog o no. Hani Miletski, Ph.D., M.S.W., is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with a Master's degree in Social Work from the Catholic University of America, National School of Social Service, in Washington, DC. You are an imbecile and troll, and know nothing about what you THINK you know. "and yes the people in comas are also perfect examples. i have been following the discussion since it started and i have had enough. There's no way to take a valid statistical sample of animal sexual abusers (there's nothing "phillic" going on -- zoophiles are the people working to STOP you from violating and exploiting animals sexually.) Where's the outrage about the lack of "consent" there? first off your "doctor " did get a diploma from a diploma mill a quick search will show that fact to anyone who wishes to actually look. omg this film is so boring, prolonged and trying to turn a nasty subject into something artsy. arguments from popularity and arguments from authority mean nothing. My partner can take a girl that is mute and because she cannot talk but has breasts and maybe gets wet when he touches her - it's his right to have sex with her??? he guy with the wife & little boy, that was obsessed with this horse it seems, died from the continuous intestinal pounding from his favorite horse. It doesn't matter what the law says, most of this takes place in private behind closed doors. His colon was raptured and he died. Not giving them peace is a crime in Gods eyes. Be like Jesus is who does not condemn, and I will not say your soul is evil. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." LOL..you're reaching. Are you endorphin addicts or what? The only thing that should be outlawed is the subversive and abusive PORN. It was disgusting 2000+ years ago when shepherds first screwed their sheep and it's disgusting now! Normally he is the quietest of dogs, but when I won't let him onto the bed, he'll wait until I'm dozing off, and then he'll start making a noise that sounds similar to him talking to himself. If for example we found mating with another dog stimulated one area of the brain and then being sexually stimulated by a person also activates that very same area but not the fear/pain areas, that would tell us a whole lot. J. Peterson For Daily Mail Australia
âHeâs just a dumb slave. get real! Not one thing you ranted about children applies to anything related to zoophilia or animals. LOL you said: Or are you as I believe just posting on documentaries related to sensitive issues just to get some attention for yourself. Most of the comments here talk about the documentary in different ways. You are going to have to do better than that. When I first started having sex I was not aware of how much it would change me, yet I dove into it willingly. also there isn't a large push to change these laws so i suspect that the overwhelming majority agree with said laws. Wouaaah! That's why horse trianers and breeders have to wear safety helmets and body protection and are carefull to keep their distance during mating, a zoo however can go right in and engage in sex with that stallion or mare and NOT need that stuff at all. You are sick people. Don't f--k a horse or you'll get perforation of the colon and die of peritonitis? Oh, and correct genius, animals are not children - but BOTH of those are innocence - they cannot choose. Either an animal has a will, and consent applies to everything, or they have none and it doesn't matter. You can't be for real. It should be obvioiuse who you follow. all she did was question some people. "sex with animals is wrong because it is an issue of consent". I would like to step back a little here and first illustrate how a dog consents to having its head scratched. I submit they also become unpredictable and potentially dangerous, and worse, maybe 'new' predators. My argument was that if you hypocrits sitting there eating burgers or ham sandwiches, or wearing leather shoes, taking premarin or any other animal produced product, consumer good, food or drug are going to scream âabuse!!! will come out of you. i have no idea what you are talking about. Because it is perverted in the very definition of the word. I cant believe the harassment he must have faced after that.